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NooneAtAll3 1 hours ago [-]
That's ~280kg of gold if anyone wonders
xnx 1 hours ago [-]
It would make such a fantastic set of barbell plates.
CSSer 51 minutes ago [-]
Gold is pretty soft. You would have to cut it to 10 carat, so there’s be even more to go around!
elif 35 minutes ago [-]
Nah literally crushing plates would feel so good. Worth the effort to melt it again every few sessions
thrownthatway 30 minutes ago [-]
Having to handle the plates with care and the damage they’d take regardless would add to the charm.
scottshea 13 minutes ago [-]
This whole thread renews my faith in humanity
zippyman55 8 minutes ago [-]
I’ll spot you!
vostrocity 2 hours ago [-]
How porous is the CIA's interview process that they couldn't validate the guy's military discharge status?
PedroBatista 30 minutes ago [-]
The type of people Intelligence agencies need and use to accomplish their goals are also the type of people who tend to do these things.
EA-3167 48 minutes ago [-]
When it comes to stories involving intelligence agencies I generally assume that I’m not getting the whole or accurate story.
IncreasePosts 38 minutes ago [-]
How porous is the approving manager/chain that someone can request 300kg of gold bars and no one knows why and they just approve it any way.
yieldcrv 13 minutes ago [-]
the CIA told him to make that part of his identity and then burned him with it
isn’t it obvious?
not being charged for the forty million dollars in gold and foreign currency missing, no explanation on why they are even looking for something that was rightly paid out as expenses, no explanation on what kind of expenses those could be to begin with to incur this much, no explanation on why the government wasn't using US dollars to pay a government employee expenses. Its a complete red herring because some client state is paying off a debt, CIA just needs this guy burned
hnthrowaway0315 2 hours ago [-]
Maybe this is part of the shadow money. CIA has been working with business people since the beginning of Cold War and I wouldn't be surprised that they have deep roots in the financial world -- after all both Intelligence and Finance need globalization.
paradoxyl 30 minutes ago [-]
The cover of national security has allowed a certain type of organized crime to proliferate to the point it's breaking society.
thrownthatway 29 minutes ago [-]
Son: dad, I’m thinking of getting in to organised crime
Dad: Public or private sector?
moralestapia 1 hours ago [-]
I don't think it's connected to this specific event, but there's a lot of lore about the CIA moving gold in/out of Afghanistan, Iraq and others during war time.
hnthrowaway0315 27 minutes ago [-]
I used to read a lot about Michele Sindona who was supposed to be connected to the Mafia and the intelligence community. His currency trading firm was one of the first to trade the Eurodollar contracts back in the 60s, IIRC.
I think intelligence and finance really go hand in hand. It makes so much sense -- you see, the intelligence community really hates the congress or whatever to snoop around its operations before approving the budget -- wouldn't it a lot easier to just earn your own $$? And with all the information the intelligence agencies control, it is almost trivial to make quick money in finance. Last but not the least, wouldn't banker be the perfect cover for spies? They wear nice suites, too.
themafia 52 minutes ago [-]
They want globalization to make their jobs easier. In no sense do they "need" it. Whether we want a world where the desires of intelligence and finance are blindly prioritized is an open question. For my part the answer is obviously no.
hnthrowaway0315 22 minutes ago [-]
I think most ordinary people would say No, but most of us do not have a say in any important things. They put up the facade of voting while all the important stuffs are decided within the circles.
I think it really makes sense to consider ourselves to be just intelligent cattle -- they still tolerate us because they need us to turn natural resources into machinery, weapon, insights and other stuffs they need, but once AI and robots keep up, they can probably get rid of 90% of us.
hmmokidk 1 hours ago [-]
Epstein and Mossad
Not the first
hnthrowaway0315 49 minutes ago [-]
The shadow world has its own rules and morals.
JumpCrisscross 1 hours ago [-]
It’s almost certainly grift. If it were official, the arrest would have been scrubbed.
The CIA director requested the FBI intervene. This is almost certainly not a fuckup.
mmooss 39 minutes ago [-]
That's their post hoc, uncorroborated claim. It's easy to imagine many other possibilities; it could just be face saving. It could be Rush is taking the fall. etc.
rdtsc 13 minutes ago [-]
> From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.”
- "I need these bars to pay off this Russian spy who will tell us Putin's nuclear code passwords"
Comes back a week later
- "His password is 12345"
- "How do we know the story is not fake?"
- "What am I going to get a signed receipt from him? Duh..."
VladVladikoff 7 minutes ago [-]
Archive.ph/archive.today failing me to bypass paywall, is everyone commenting on the title? Or you all have NYT subscriptions? Or you know of some other bypass?
Many community libraries offer free NYTimes access to their patrons.
exabrial 59 minutes ago [-]
If this were a Jason Bourne movie, it was the CIA that put the gold bars there.
kingforaday 39 minutes ago [-]
I was just looking for something to watch tonight. Thanks for the recommendation!
skeledrew 32 minutes ago [-]
Guy sounds like a dragon. What's the deal with the watches though?
NDlurker 22 minutes ago [-]
I imagine watches are more liquid than gold bars
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AmazingEveryDay 3 hours ago [-]
This seems absolutely crazy. Probably Fort Knox should be inventoried, might indeed not be anything there!
yieldcrv 1 hours ago [-]
This is different than that and scant on pertinent details
It says he received it as compensation for expenses, not that it was ever in some government vault. This is additional gold and foreign currency that an agency had, not the reserve.
It then says
> When the C.I.A. conducted a review of where the gold and currency were stashed
Why would they do that if it was compensation for expenses
He wasn't charged for that, and the phrasing doesn't suggest it was supposed to be remitted to the government
if the CIA didn't have a history of being involved in shady shit like this that already explains everything, this would be weird
instead it looks like he's got burned over his necessary use of fibbed identity
sleepyguy 2 hours ago [-]
Sounds like he was most likely involved in some serious shit that was off the books and somehow it came to light. His boss is probably aware of what it was but no one will admit shit. It went awry and he is left holding the bag.
Gold and money for an operation that could have been to anything from funding armed rebellion to god only knows.
asdff 2 hours ago [-]
$40m+ in an expense account based in gold bars is absolutely crazy. CIA agents must have access to untold resources if this is seen as a somewhat regular 4 month spend. Seems it is, given that they seemingly weren't concerned about the $40+ million being taken out, but where it was being held.
coliveira 1 hours ago [-]
The "resources" are off the books, it must be just the tip of the iceberg.
fn-mote 2 hours ago [-]
I thought this was baseless speculation, but from TFA:
> [he] asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.
golem14 50 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, this reads like right out of "Burn notice".
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mmooss 55 minutes ago [-]
The CIA legitimately engages in bribery and hard asset payments. Note that the CIA approved his request and gave him these assets (or at least many of them - the paragraph below doesn't specify the amount).
> From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.”
Possibly the question here is, why did Rush take them home. It's always possible Rush was just sloppy and undisciplined, which would also reflect a cultural problem. Many people have been found with secret documents in their homes.
johnea 1 hours ago [-]
> millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.
Hey, handing over millions of $$s to local warlords is a business expense...
delichon 2 hours ago [-]
A couple of weeks ago there was a story that the CIA raided the office of the director of the NSA and seized information regarding the CIA. Trump was in China at the time. About a week later the NSA director resigns. I waited for it to turn into a major story and get some kind of explanation, but silence.
It seems like an extraordinary story and I don't understand why there isn't a hullabaloo. Did I hallucinate it? Who runs this country?
wildzzz 52 minutes ago [-]
Anna Paulina Luna is the only one claiming that the CIA raided the office of the DNI. No other trustworthy sources are reporting this and there's been no independent verification. Anna Paulina Luna is a lunatic who says outlandish things with no regards to truth.
m348e912 20 minutes ago [-]
There might be a mix up on the details.
The FBI raided the home of John Bolton who was a former National Security Advisor for the first Trump administration. (not directly part of the NSA and definitely not the director of the NSA). Bolton has become a vocal critic of Trump since he was fired in Sept 2019.
Trump's DOJ has a track record of prosecuting Trump's vocal critics. eg. Former FBI director James Comey and New York attorney general Letitia James
There has been no legal action taken against current NSA director General Joshua M. Rudd or his recent predecessor, William J. Hartman
NordStreamYacht 1 hours ago [-]
The DNI, not the NSA.
greesil 1 hours ago [-]
Because nobody reputable reported on it?
foobar1726 1 hours ago [-]
Reputable reporters know that publishing those stories leads to break-in burglaries where everyone is killed and nothing is stolen.
dabadabad00 1 hours ago [-]
> Who runs this country?
American Thought Control.
Crazy crackpot schizos aren’t the only ones listening to the voices in their heads.
Computer0 1 hours ago [-]
I'm guessing they decided they don't like the guy anymore? The CIA is very corrupt as an institution and things like this run rampant. Billions of dollars go unaccounted for a year at the CIA.
JSR_FDED 2 hours ago [-]
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walrus01 1 hours ago [-]
Imagine how much booze this can buy. They'll need lift gate service on the semi truck loads, if Kash's house doesn't have a loading dock.
contingencies 2 hours ago [-]
CIA: Corruption Institute of America
paradoxyl 25 minutes ago [-]
Its nickname since the 1970s has been Criminals in Action, when they were smuggling heroin out of the Golden Triangle to fund covert actions during the Vietnam War.
JumpCrisscross 1 hours ago [-]
Huh. I’m actually glad to see the IC fragmenting like this.
chatmasta 1 hours ago [-]
Is it fragmenting? The FBI has always been in charge of investigating other agencies. The article even notes that this particular investigation was initiated when the CIA director made a referral to the FBI.
JumpCrisscross 59 minutes ago [-]
> article even notes that this particular investigation was initiated when the CIA director made a referral to the FBI
Fair enough.
simpaticoder 2 hours ago [-]
So what is that, like 10 gold bars?
EDIT: it's 240. but still, they were worth a lot less not that long ago...
mlmonkey 2 hours ago [-]
According to the article, 303 gold bars worth about $40M.
farrarstan 2 hours ago [-]
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mlmonkey 2 hours ago [-]
Gold is the "bitcoin" of yesterday, in the sense that it is untraceable, anonymous and yet high value enough to be worth it.
None of those points match bitcoin. What you are describing is more like tornado cash or similar stuff which are really really banned when interfacing with banks or similar institutions.
isn’t it obvious?
not being charged for the forty million dollars in gold and foreign currency missing, no explanation on why they are even looking for something that was rightly paid out as expenses, no explanation on what kind of expenses those could be to begin with to incur this much, no explanation on why the government wasn't using US dollars to pay a government employee expenses. Its a complete red herring because some client state is paying off a debt, CIA just needs this guy burned
Dad: Public or private sector?
I think intelligence and finance really go hand in hand. It makes so much sense -- you see, the intelligence community really hates the congress or whatever to snoop around its operations before approving the budget -- wouldn't it a lot easier to just earn your own $$? And with all the information the intelligence agencies control, it is almost trivial to make quick money in finance. Last but not the least, wouldn't banker be the perfect cover for spies? They wear nice suites, too.
I think it really makes sense to consider ourselves to be just intelligent cattle -- they still tolerate us because they need us to turn natural resources into machinery, weapon, insights and other stuffs they need, but once AI and robots keep up, they can probably get rid of 90% of us.
Not the first
- "I need these bars to pay off this Russian spy who will tell us Putin's nuclear code passwords"
Comes back a week later
- "His password is 12345"
- "How do we know the story is not fake?"
- "What am I going to get a signed receipt from him? Duh..."
It says he received it as compensation for expenses, not that it was ever in some government vault. This is additional gold and foreign currency that an agency had, not the reserve.
It then says
> When the C.I.A. conducted a review of where the gold and currency were stashed
Why would they do that if it was compensation for expenses
He wasn't charged for that, and the phrasing doesn't suggest it was supposed to be remitted to the government
if the CIA didn't have a history of being involved in shady shit like this that already explains everything, this would be weird
instead it looks like he's got burned over his necessary use of fibbed identity
Gold and money for an operation that could have been to anything from funding armed rebellion to god only knows.
> [he] asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.
> From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.”
Possibly the question here is, why did Rush take them home. It's always possible Rush was just sloppy and undisciplined, which would also reflect a cultural problem. Many people have been found with secret documents in their homes.
Hey, handing over millions of $$s to local warlords is a business expense...
It seems like an extraordinary story and I don't understand why there isn't a hullabaloo. Did I hallucinate it? Who runs this country?
The FBI raided the home of John Bolton who was a former National Security Advisor for the first Trump administration. (not directly part of the NSA and definitely not the director of the NSA). Bolton has become a vocal critic of Trump since he was fired in Sept 2019.
Trump's DOJ has a track record of prosecuting Trump's vocal critics. eg. Former FBI director James Comey and New York attorney general Letitia James
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_John_Bolton
There has been no legal action taken against current NSA director General Joshua M. Rudd or his recent predecessor, William J. Hartman
American Thought Control.
Crazy crackpot schizos aren’t the only ones listening to the voices in their heads.
Fair enough.
EDIT: it's 240. but still, they were worth a lot less not that long ago...
And it can be made to disappear in a hurry, if you have to: https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/10/03/140815154/d...